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Rep. Mark Foley's Emails to a Young Boy
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posted by: (reply) post date: 10.02.06 (8:28 am) Very troubling to some politicians have abxxxused his/her power on exploits to anybody or the underaged, regardless where/what party they are coming from. Hve forgotten *boundaries of sorts? Sadly, Mr. Clinton and that blue-dress issue...even some governor, military students, priests, teachers, celebrities, media people, and others damaged reputations exposed. Mr. Foley has disappointed our American values. posted by: Lindy (reply) post date: 10.03.06 (9:21 am) You know, everyone is focusing on the irony of Foley's position with regards to the committee on missing and exploited children. It could well be that Mark Foley knew first hand what kind of monsters sexual predators are, which may have driven him to help pass tougher laws in bringing them to justice. I don't really see a lot of irony there. I see a man with an illness who tried to fight it and succumed to his weaknesses. In most states, the legal age of sexual consent is 16. Sure, he's guilty of misuse of power, completely inappropriate behavior, depending on the state laws, soliciting sex from a minor, perhaps and a whole list of things, but I wonder how much of this surrounds the fact that we're talking about boys and not girls. I don't think people are being honest about this one. I especially abhor that once again, this has become a 'party' thing. If this had happened to a democrat, would you have devoted a half page of censuring and condemning to it? As soon as a scandal erupts in the Republican party, all the democrats gather around and say, 'See, told you so..' and when something rocks the Democratic party, the Republicans do the exact same thing. It's disgusting. I hope Foley gets help and that his friends and family stick by him. posted by: tfruge1 (reply) post date: 10.04.06 (7:58 am) Reply to: LadyG I would hav to agree with you LadyG. Political party doesn't make one group of people good or honest and the other bad. Both are capable of performing acts like or worse. I think anyone who does an atrocity like this should definately be removed from office no questions asked. posted by: Lindy (reply) post date: 10.04.06 (10:36 am) Reply to: LadyG 'Crying the party line'? It seems that people who regularly participate in political debate use a jargon that 1) quickly identifies them as such and 2) draws attention to their method of debating as opposed to the critical points of discussion. Crying the party line.. how strange. I'm not sure why this point is relevant, and I could have sworn that when someone does 'cry a party line,' it's usually in reference to some kind of smearing campaign in favor of one party over the other, but okay.. My intent in this comment to this tFruge1 (who has yet to address any of my comments here) is that I find his bias just as inappropriate as he seems to find the Republican party. His intent seems to lie with exposing the Republican party (Foley being equivalent to the entire party due to his representing it, I guess) as corrupt, with the aim of advancing the democratic party - as opposed to reporting this unfortunate experience 'for the good of humanity,' etc. Nice of him to come along and agree with your point, though it seems very much an afterthought. There is no question that in a case like this, Foley and any other person should be removed from a position of power and prosecuted to the full extent of the law regardless of political affiliation. My point to him is that he (like many other Democrats) is quick to tout the goodness of the Democratic party by displaying the wrongs of the Republican party. When a scandal rocks the Democratic party.. the bias comes out in spades in the form of defensive argument. And the Republican party does the exact same thing. It is one of the reasons many people wash their hands of the political scene in the United States, and may be largely why we have such a low voting turn out. The human element of this and other situations seems removed when Democrats and Republicans come out to play. If you think about it, I'm calling this person out on exactly what you are trying to call me out on.. making this about people as opposed to political affiliation. This is exactly why I don't get your point. Not having a son, and not being in this situation, I can not say how I would react as a parent or what my choice of wording would be to speak about this, if in fact I did, but I'm quite comfortable saying that I wouldn't slide my view to the point that I could see this as a Republican or Democrat problem. Obviously, the kid who outed Foley was brought up to open his mouth when things don't feel right. Should his parents be freaking out right now? Should they be calling for Foley's head on a platter? Should they definitely not be pointing out that this is a 'human' problem as opposed to a 'party' problem? I really have no idea. Again, I'm not sure how relevant the point is or why, out of all of this, you would want to know such a thing. Feel free to explain, if you have the time. posted by: tfruge1 (reply) post date: 10.04.06 (11:12 am) Reply to: Lindy As you may have noticed, I do speak with a Liberal bias due to my love of the Democratic party, however, if this would have happened to a Democrat in office, I would have said the exact same thing. I would be proposing that the one who did it and anyone associated with him be thrown out of office. Behavior like this has no place in a public forum where we elect these people to represent us. What a man does in the privicy of his own time is no concern of my own. It becomes a concern when he is breaking the law and harming innocent people around him. Just like in this instance. I don't care if the man is gay or not. What bothers me is that he is making advances to a 16 year old. If he would have been making these provocative acts to a 16 year old girl, I would have said the same thing. One last thing. He is the co-chair to the house caucus of missing and exploited children. As co-chairman, you have a duty to stand by the laws and guidlines you helped draft. As the co-chairman, you stand as a rolemodel for the caucus which is supposed to send a positive statement that we will not tolerate this sort of action. Due to what he did and being in the position that is in is completely sturdy grounds for his resignation. It is also grounds for the resignation of anyone involved with him like speaker of the house Hastert. He knew of these emails yet he did nothing to "fix" the problem. He just turned his back to everything. I am a Liberal who happends to vote majority Democrat. That doesn't mean that I support all Democrats and what they do. I will not protect anyone from criminal behavior just because of their party affiliation and anyone who does is just plain wrong and stupid. posted by: Lindy (reply) post date: 10.04.06 (11:43 am) Reply to: tfruge1 Good! It's nice to hear this because your posts of the past have led me to believe that isn't the case, especially the one concerning the democratic party's advertisement- that ghastly slanted commercial that was a smear tactic through and through. Too many times I have seen people's support of one party or the other lead them to a bias that no longer has anything to do with the good of the people. Perhaps you'll keep such in mind the next time a die-hard Republican comes along and blasts the democratic party. Both are filled with a corporate agenda, though I grant you that democrats seem to typically have an eye on a bigger picture, from what little I've seen in the world. Thanks for responding. I'm not really a monster. Just a big mouth. :) posted by: tfruge1 (reply) post date: 10.04.06 (12:04 pm) Reply to: Lindy I know you ain't a monster. I do enjoy a good debate. I'm glad I can clearify my position for you. Don't be a stranger here. posted by: devon (reply) post date: 10.04.06 (2:09 pm) Lets just hope Foley finds the help he needs. |
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