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Vote Caging
06.04.07 (8:22 am)   [edit]

The other day before the House Judicary Committee, a woman by the name of Monica Goodling made her testimony.  She was granted immunity for this testimony because the House is looking to bring down some top political figures.  With all that aside, Monica Goodling brought up some very interesting events that have been taking place within this administration.  One of which is a felony charge.

The issue I am refering to is something called "caging".  If you are not aware of what caging is then allow me to explain.  Caging in a political term is a ploy in order to get people strached from the voting lists.  Evidently this has been a common practice among Republicans for quite sometime now.  What they do is send a certified letter to people they suspect don't live at their current address that they are registered to vote at.  Most of the people they choose are those overseas fighting with our military and the poor minorities.  When the letters are not received from the resident the post office sends them back and the people names go on a "caging list".  From there, people move to strach your name from the voting list so your vote won't be counted.

Now on to the story.  Monica Goodling the other day in Judicary Committee brought up the issue of caging all on her own.  She basically admitted that Carl Rove and his staff have been doing this for years and that many other very important members of the Republican party know about this.  I don't need to remind you that this is a felony offense.

To me, this is not being taken serious enough.  We are not talking about caging just a few hundred of people in the nation here.  We are talking thousands of Democrats caged in one state.  This is dramatically changing the outcome of elections.

Not only is this illegal but unethical as well.  Nothing surprises me about the Republican party anymore.  I don't see no low that would not be willing to stoop in order to steal votes away just to get in power.

 


posted by: surrogate (reply)
post date: 06.04.07 (6:41 am)

While this practice is definately wrong, I don't think it's really illegal, though it should be. Also, I don't understand your argument that someone could be too poor to accept a certified letter. It costs nothing to sign for a letter. I bring this up, because when bad arguments are made, it undermines the legitimacy of the overall concern. Maybe I'm missing something.



posted by: tfruge1 (reply)
post date: 06.04.07 (6:45 am)

Reply to: surrogate
Thanks for the correction. I could have sworn you had to pay the postage sort of like a collect call. My fault. This will be corrected. Thanks!



posted by: surrogate (reply)
post date: 06.04.07 (6:54 am)

Reply to: tfruge1

No worries. How about talking more about WHY it's wrong, and get rid of the felony thing... the practice is legal, even if awful.




posted by: heavyarms (reply)
post date: 06.04.07 (8:13 am)

Of course, the Democrats never, EVER stoop so low, do they?
(slashing tires on Republican get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee, Kerry-Edwards campaigners making deceptive phone calls to Republican voters in Ohio and giving them the wrong date for voting or the wrong polling place, the DNC using phone calls and letters before the 2004 election to threaten Republican volunteers with legal action, Union protestors ransacking GOP offices in Florida, etc.)

Voter fraud is not a big problem, contrary to what both the right and left would have you believe, but voter suppression and intimidation goes on all the time, and both sides are guilty as sin.



posted by: LadyG (reply)
post date: 06.04.07 (8:28 am)

Anything to get into power, very sad on both sides.



posted by: tfruge1 (reply)
post date: 06.04.07 (9:13 am)

Reply to: surrogate
Well see Surrogate, the act of caging is actually illegal. This is why Monica Goodling could say her testimony of this without the risk of prosecution.



posted by: tfruge1 (reply)
post date: 06.04.07 (9:15 am)

Reply to: heavyarms
I do have to agree with you on one part. Voter fraud is not a huge problem due to the law of having to show proper I.D. Where the problem does lie is like you said vote suppression. No party is close to being innocent. No telling what is going on that we don't know about. This is only the latest trend.



posted by: tfruge1 (reply)
post date: 06.04.07 (9:18 am)

Reply to: LadyG
That is a very good point. It seems there is no low that is low enough to stoop to in this country. Only try not fall victim to any act like this. Let you voice be heard by allowing your vote to be count.



posted by: surrogate (reply)
post date: 06.04.07 (9:20 am)

Reply to: heavyarms So, if Democrats do bad things then that explains why your folks do them... -The ONLY argument your sort ever has the ability to make. Brilliant.




posted by: surrogate (reply)
post date: 06.04.07 (9:25 am)

Reply to: tfruge1

No... it really isn't. It's perfectly legal to remove people from voting roles if they don't show themselves to live where they're supposed to. The wrong of it is in the practice of selecting "likely" oposition voters only when you're scrubbing the roles. If, for instance, they sent the same certified letter to every single voter in the district? -That would be perfectly cool. And, trust me, that wasn't anywhere near the most important stuff Ms. Goodling had to say that may have gotten her into trouble. I think it's amazing that 167 graduates of that particular crappy law school even work, or have worked, for these idiots, though it's not in the least surprising.




posted by: tfruge1 (reply)
post date: 06.04.07 (2:50 pm)

Reply to: surrogate
Lol. You have a point about the school. Everyone from it seems to be corrupt.

You are exactly right about the legality of the issue. You happend to put what I was saying to you in better terms. Correct, kicking people of the voting lists is perfectly legal. Profiling only those of one party isn't. Well said!



posted by: LadyG (reply)
post date: 06.04.07 (10:48 pm)

Reply to: tfruge1,
Good advice.


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